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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgar View Post
    Did you play it within the last 2 months? It was fixed very recently and plays great.
    Yeah. If there was a patch for it, I haven't gotten it yet, and this is the Pinball Arcade Underground version by the way.

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    re: new Black Knight - I wouldn't expect scores to go UP with this version, but probably DOWN, at least that has been my experience - the upper area is not as exploitable to get repeated 3-ball multiballs as it used to be. It plays a lot more like real life, that is to say brutal and terrifying- when you are in the lower playfield you are always one flip and bounce away from draining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgias32 View Post
    re: new Black Knight - I wouldn't expect scores to go UP with this version, but probably DOWN, at least that has been my experience - the upper area is not as exploitable to get repeated 3-ball multiballs as it used to be. It plays a lot more like real life, that is to say brutal and terrifying- when you are in the lower playfield you are always one flip and bounce away from draining.
    Umm, it finally actually works? All of the sounds are in, not just a small subset? The lights all work properly? The upper playfield locks work correctly?

    I've actually found my score have gone up with the new version, probably because the scoring has been fixed as well.

    New Emulated Black Knight is far, far, better than Old Scripted Black Knight.

    You could say it's Knight and Day....
    "You've got an arm like a wet rag!" - The Dummy, Hurricane (Williams, 1991)
    "Ace of Clubs?!" - Bride of Pin*Bot, Jack*Bot (Williams, 1995)
    "You have been terminated. Have a nice day!" - Candy 2000, Safe Cracker (Williams, 1996)

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    Totally agree, the new emulated BK is 1000% better than the old version

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgias32 View Post
    Totally agree, the new emulated BK is 1000% better than the old version
    That kind of contradicts your last post, though. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by BennyJackdaw View Post
    That kind of contradicts your last post, though. :P
    Having read back, I think it was supposed to mean that in-game scores were likely to go down. Not the table ratings. The table ratings should definitely get a bump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EldarOfSuburbia View Post
    You could say it's Knight and Day....

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    Quote Originally Posted by EldarOfSuburbia View Post
    Having read back, I think it was supposed to mean that in-game scores were likely to go down. Not the table ratings. The table ratings should definitely get a bump.
    Yes, that's what I meant - I find the retuned version to be less exploitable and more realistic, and therefore more challenging, which is a good thing.

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    Left my rating.. Only gave monster bash a 10..only handed out a few 9's..like mm, Rbion,TZ, ngg,... I just can't get into the old old tables, big shot probaly my favorite out of all Of them I can think of now... Sttng I gave a 9 or 8,i stink at it,I keep those outlanes full haha.. But I can see it's a good game with rules I'd like.....
    I hate the music in funhouse.. Its just Constant, I don't mind Rudy though.. Afm is 2 easy and idk the colours could have been better.. Mb is easy too but the art & music make up for it, easy doesnt mean it's no good..
    Gonna update ratings once I get more familiar with some tables. Keep on pinning

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    Added Fathom to the survey!

    http://smbhax.com/tpatr

    Last month's new table, World Champion Soccer, is in an impressive 6th place in the table! : o This has pushed Terminator 2: Judgement Day out of the top 10, into 11th place.

    The Pinball Arcade table ratings
    ——————————
    1. 9.05 — Medieval Madness
    2. 8.82 — Attack from Mars
    3. 8.63 — Monster Bash
    4. 8.53 — Theatre of Magic
    5. 8.45 — The Twilight Zone
    6. 8.40 — World Champion Soccer
    7. 8.25 — The Addams Family
    8. 8.20 — Star Trek: The Next Generation
    9. 8.15 — Tales of the Arabian Nights
    10. 7.97 — White Water
    11. 7.84 — Terminator 2: Judgment Day
    12. 7.78 — Eight Ball Deluxe
    13. 7.77 — Red & Ted's Road Show
    14. 7.70 — No Good Gofers!
    15. 7.69 — Fish Tales
    16. 7.62 — Funhouse
    16. 7.62 — The Getaway: High Speed II
    18. 7.57 — Taxi
    19. 7.55 — WHO dunnit
    20. 7.54 — Bram Stoker's Dracula
    20. 7.54 — Cirqus Voltaire
    22. 7.44 — Indianapolis 500
    23. 7.40 — Ripley's Believe It or Not!
    24. 7.37 — Scared Stiff
    25. 7.35 — Creature from the Black Lagoon
    26. 7.30 — Doctor Who
    27. 7.27 — Junk Yard
    28. 7.22 — Jack•Bot
    29. 7.21 — Cactus Canyon
    30. 7.20 — Whirlwind
    31. 7.15 — Paragon
    32. 7.14 — No Fear: Dangerous Sports
    33. 7.07 — Safe Cracker
    34. 7.02 — Diner
    35. 6.96 — Judge Dredd
    36. 6.91 — Black Rose
    37. 6.88 — High Roller Casino
    38. 6.86 — The Machine: Bride of Pin•Bot
    39. 6.85 — Earthshaker
    40. 6.78 — High Speed
    41. 6.72 — The Champion Pub
    42. 6.71 — Firepower II
    42. 6.71 — Swords of Fury
    44. 6.70 — Pin•Bot
    45. 6.68 — Hurricane
    46. 6.67 — Centaur
    47. 6.61 — Mary Shelley's Frankenstein
    48. 6.59 — Elvira and the Party Monsters
    49. 6.51 — F-14 Tomcat
    50. 6.44 — Space Shuttle
    51. 6.41 — Flight 2000
    52. 6.39 — Black Knight 2000
    52. 6.39 — Cyclone
    54. 6.38 — Wipe Out
    55. 6.36 — Xenon
    56. 6.35 — Party Zone
    57. 6.33 — Last Action Hero
    58. 6.25 — Tee'd Off
    59. 6.16 — Big Shot
    60. 6.08 — Jacks Open
    61. 6.04 — Gorgar
    62. 5.98 — Cue Ball Wizard
    63. 5.85 — TX-Sector
    64. 5.78 — Centigrade 37
    64. 5.78 — Phantom of the Opera
    66. 5.75 — Firepower
    66. 5.75 — Starship Troopers
    68. 5.69 — Black Hole
    69. 5.66 — Dr. Dude
    70. 5.60 — Class of 1812
    71. 5.56 — Big Hurt
    72. 5.50 — Harley-Davidson Third Edition
    73. 5.46 — Gladiators
    74. 5.36 — El Dorado
    75. 5.34 — Lights...Camera...Action!
    76. 5.33 — Haunted House
    77. 5.26 — Fireball
    78. 5.14 — Cactus Jack's
    79. 5.06 — Victory
    80. 5.02 — Al's Garage Band
    81. 4.82 — Genie
    82. 4.78 — Rescue 911
    83. 4.64 — Black Knight
    84. 4.45 — Doctor Who: Master of Time
    85. 4.08 — Central Park
    86. 3.90 — El Dorado City of Gold
    87. 3.47 — Bone Busters Inc.
    88. 3.33 — Goin' Nuts
    89. none — Fathom

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    Well, I guess I'll throw my hat into the ratings ring. And yes, you'll probably find my tastes in Pinball to be vastly different than most other peoples':

    --10 Rating--

    Black Rose
    Central Park
    Medieval Madness
    Scared Stiff
    TX-Sector

    --9 Rating--

    Big Shot
    Black Knight
    Cactus Jack's
    Cyclone
    Dr. Dude
    El Dorado
    Judge Dredd
    No Good Gofers!
    Xenon

    From 8 rating to 5 rating are waaaaay too many to list, so I'll skip over to the 4 ratings and below:

    --4 Rating--

    Cirqus Voltaire
    Cue Ball Wizard
    Dr. Who
    Earthshaker
    El Dorado: City of Gold
    Flight 2000
    Genie
    High Roller Casino
    Mary Shelley's Frankenstein
    Phantom of the Opera
    Safecracker
    Star Trek: The Next Generation

    --3 Rating--

    The Addams Family
    The Championship Pub
    Creature From the Black Lagoon
    Firepower
    Harley-Davidson: Third Edition
    Monster Bash
    Rescue 911
    Ripley's Believe it or Not
    Terminator 2: Judgement Day
    The Twilight Zone
    World Championship Soccer

    --2 Rating--
    Starship Troopers

    And if you're interested, I go into more detail on the tables in this video (keep in mind I was trying to go through them quickly and some of them I only played a few times): https://www.twitch.tv/videos/181407341
    Last edited by Joe Schmoe; 10-12-2017 at 08:43 AM. Reason: Seemed to have confused people

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe View Post
    you'll probably find my tastes in Pinball to be vastly different than most other peoples':
    "Yes Yes Yes" 1 million times (especially for TZ and MB)
    and now … I can nudge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Schmoe View Post
    Well, I guess I'll throw my hat into the ratings ring. And yes, you'll probably find my tastes in Pinball to be vastly different than most other peoples':
    Starship Troopers
    That list is kind of all over the place - I am actually interested in how you define your tastes. Some of your top rated are pretty similar to bottom rated.

    I am with you on Central Park, though, that table is a ton of fun but doesn't get a lot of respect here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizard33 View Post
    "Yes Yes Yes" 1 million times (especially for TZ and MB)
    1 zillion times: stranger than strange in some ways. el dorado and central park on top, twilight zone and mb on bottom, that's a headstand.
    But well, that's your choice. Better than a community with similar tastes.
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    I think everyone has an outlier or two. I love TX-Sector and hate STTNG. But Schmoe, you do buck the standard opinion on a great many pins. That's why it is so important to have a varied selection. It's all good.

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    I'd swap MonsterBash or Circus Voltaire with CentralPark but, otherwise, that's a top five I can endorse – each of those tables has been an obsession for me at some point, even if they've fallen from my favor since. Rating FirePower so low gives me pause and almost offends my sensibilities, but I can forgive that since you have TX Sector up as high as I do.


    Just thinking out loud, but maybe we could re-set the table ratings in the way that some people have suggested re-setting the leaderboards. I bet there are a lot of folks who haven't bothered to rethink and re-sort their earlier seasons votes. It might shake up the top tier rankings a bit.

    Well, probably not, on second glance. The top 15/20 are probably locked in. And maybe having to fill out the questionaire – now that it's so long – might seem like too much homework. Anyway, just thought I'd mention it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JefferyD View Post
    I'd swap MonsterBash or Circus Voltaire with CentralPark but, otherwise, that's a top five I can endorse – each of those tables has been an obsession for me at some point, even if they've fallen from my favor since. Rating FirePower so low gives me pause and almost offends my sensibilities, but I can forgive that since you have TX Sector up as high as I do.
    Monster Bash: The gameplay and artwork is actually pretty well done. It's just that the voices are so godawful they really bring down the rating. I don't know who they were (the girl sounds like she also did the voices in Medieval Madness. I'd like to think they were done by someone else because the voices sound awesome in that game), but they were overpaid. >.< Basically it was a rotten apple that spoiled the whole barrel.

    Cirqus Voltaire: The artwork, voices, and sounds was actually pretty cool, but the table had kind of a tragic flaw: If you went through that loop behind the Ringmaster's head from right to left, it went straight down the middle. Medieval Madness' left peasant ramp, Black Knights one or both right ramps, and Tales of the Arabian Nights loop (every so often) had that same issue as well. I was forced to nudge - and risk getting a tilt warning, ludicrous as that might sound - to keep the ball from draining. Like Monster Bash, this too was a "rotten apple".

    Firepower - The table itself is actually pretty good, with one of the most balanced inlane/outlanes I've seen, kinda like Black Knight. The rotten apple here is that damn kickback. It starts off turned off, meaning you have to to turn it on. . . . by hitting ALL 6 spot targets (inb4 git gud) (EDIT: rating went up to 4. it's only the 1-2-3 or the 4-5-6 that's needed, not all 6. Sure seemed like it though). And even when you manage to turn it on it turns off the moment it gets rolled over (most other games it stays on several seconds afterwards), or if the ball drains. Hell, by the time it's even useful I've probably lost a ball or two, sometimes by draining down the left outlane lol. Kind of an infinity+1 feature.

    Anyway, just trying to explain where my head was at at the time I rated these. ;]
    Last edited by Joe Schmoe; 10-15-2017 at 07:00 AM.

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    Thanks for shedding more light, I too have been annoyed by the CV center drain on the spinner mini-loop, so I get it. I don't remember that happening before they did the re-tuning at the start of this season, which also improved the table significantly, so I guess I can live with it - once you know when you need to nudge it's okay.

    Firepower is just a brutal table, I get where you are coming from too, but the brutally difficult 80s SS tables are my favorites. I'm really looking forward to FS converting this one to emulation (projected date: 2021), it's done wonders for Black Knight, and would take one of the better season 2 tables and make it even better.

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